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Brettny
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# Posted: 3 Oct 2019 11:35
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I believe g70 is a trasnport grade of chain. Have you checked amazon?

Also check state laws for those snap style chain binders. I dont believe there legal in NY. They also suck to work with.

snobdds
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# Posted: 3 Oct 2019 13:55
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Yanmars make a fantastic tractor. You will not be dissapointed. If I had a Yanmar dealer close, I would be very tempted to switch it up. I am, however, too brand loyal to Massey Ferguson. We have had a Massey on the ranch since the 50's. I'm not one to quit on a good thing.

Here is my Massey and Cat...I was moving my small cabin with the cat. I had to build a pad back in the aspens and move it.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 3 Oct 2019 19:31 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Quoting: DaveBell
Where did you get the G70 chains?



Amazon, they sell kits, the binders (G70 rated too) and chains. I trimmed some chains down, added my own G70 hooks, all from Amazon. There is the cam over binders and the ratchet types. I got the cam over ones. You just need to wrap the chain around the handle a few turns to keep them from flipping open. They wont, but in my state, its required. My chain is 3/8"

Use this for your search, "G70 rated chains, binders and hooks 3/8" shows up everything. Chains will have hooks, they are 20 feet long, if you can cut it in half, grab some hooks and make 2 chains from one. I was able too. Just make sure the hooks are the "grab type" for hooking on chain links by locking on a link.
Chain and hooks are all cad plated and about every 3rd chain link reads "G70", your state patrol checks this.
The 3/8" hooks will lock on to a 5/16 chain also, but for your tractor, get all 3/8" chain.

Also, each implement needs to be secured, but a yellow ratchet strap across the front end loader, is acceptable. I run one across my back blade too. This isnt critical unless you are commercial, but if you have an issue, this covers your butt.
Grab hook vs clevis hook

Oh, a must have, get weld on chain hooks for the top of your bucket on the front end loader, a must have deal.
Just use G70 weld on hooks, pick 3/8" also in Amazon search. I put 3 on mine, 2 right in line with bucket curl ram for max torque without bucket deflection and one in the center.

Of course, I bought some genuine Kubota orange paint and painted it, looks like it was always there.
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G70 clevis hook with latch
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2019 08:48
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The final product minus paint job.
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DaveBell
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2019 18:19 - Edited by: DaveBell
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Toy: your hooks on the loader are just what I need for moving logs.

Ordered the weld on hooks, 2 G70 3/8 20' chains with hooks and 2 G70 hooks with latch - just in case I need them.

Thanks.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2019 12:39 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Quoting: DaveBell
Toy: your hooks on the loader are just what I need for moving logs.


Dave, as long as you have the welder out, I assume you will haul tractor on a trailer to and from property, grab some of those 1/2" weld on D rings, rated for 12,000 lbs. Good news is the 3/8" grab hook will slip through the inside of the D ring making lashing tractor down easy. I put these every 2 feet down each side of my trailer. It came already with 2 across front and back for tying down a car, I just wanted more lashing options. Makes it easier to lash down lumber, pipe and grab weld on stake pockets too if your trailer doesn't have those too.

You can lash down tractor using just stake pockets too, drop hook down inside pocket and hook from underside. But if it gets loose, it could drop down and come unhooked.

Hey, welder is already out, what the heck...
In amazon search, use weld on 1/2 D rings. They come in singles, 4 packs, 6 paks, 10, 12pak and so on.
Welded on D rings
Welded on D rings
Weld on D ring 12K rated
Weld on D ring 12K rated
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DaveBell
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2019 18:04
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Toy: When you welded your hooks, did you grind off the paint first?

sparky30_06
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 07:25
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Any time you weld you want to make sure your metal is as clean as possible. Grind all paint and rust until you have good clean base metal, if you want your welds to hold. Make sure you use the right rod and get a good burn on them. If you are using a small rod you may want to put multiple passes on it.

Remember that those D rings welds need to hold that tractor down not only driving down the bumpy roads but also if an accident happens.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 08:43
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Quoting: DaveBell
Toy: When you welded your hooks, did you grind off the paint first?


Yes, I didnt use a grinder, I used a scotch brite pad in a right angle air grinder, this removes the paint, but doenst blemish metal surface. You want clean bare metal for welding. A propane torch and warm up paint, then wipe off. Factory paint on these is pretty durable and tough.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 08:49 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Quoting: sparky30_06
Any time you weld you want to make sure your metal is as clean as possible


Dittos and look for penetration, but not undercut. Load trailer heavier on tongue too, axle should be behind mid point, but also you can back tractor on or bucket end first. My trailer is an 18 footer with good weight load and tows silky smooth. To much weight behind the axle, trailer will start to oscillate and start darting back and forth and before you know it, its over. So make sure you dont buy too short of a trailer

And make sure axle rating is adequate. Dave, with the size of your tractor, I would expect a tandem 6 lug wheel at minimum, but more likely a tandem 8 lug trailer with all your implements.

I do other things like strap trailer spare tire down on deck in between front and rear tires, then my large yellow binder straps across FEL and back-blade. Of course, HST is in low range and park brake is also set,. FEL and BB down on deck, front bucket is up against the bump stop. This is a bumper or metal pipe across the front, so the tractor wont roll forward.

sparky30_06
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 13:39
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech
Dittos and look for penetration, but not over penetration.


Please explain.

Only time I see excessive penetration is when we are welding pipe for flow. Then you can push too much into the pipe and create restriction and also possibility for erosion from turbulence.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 15:18 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Quoting: sparky30_06
Please explain.


Weld cuts in too deep on the edges, I should of probably used the word undercutLeaves a thin section and if its going to break will be at this thin area, not the weld itself.

aktundra
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 16:14
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Toyota -

Great tractor talk here. I have the G70 chains and binders but need to add hooks on the bucket and more D rings on the trailer.

Thanks for sharing.

NorthRick
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 17:49
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech
You can lash down tractor using just stake pockets too, drop hook down inside pocket and hook from underside. But if it gets loose, it could drop down and come unhooked.


Drop it through the stake pocket then bring the hook up the outside and put it over the top edge of the pocket. That way it will more likely stay on if something loosens.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 21:03
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Quoting: NorthRick
Drop it through the stake pocket then bring the hook up the outside and put it over the top edge of the pocket. That way it will more likely stay on if something loosens.


Excellent reply.

sparky30_06
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2019 21:53
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech
undercut


is an issue in structural welding for sure, multiple passes will get rid of undercut, most of the time

Brettny
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2019 11:33
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Quoting: DaveBell
When you welded your hooks, did you grind off the paint first?

If you have to ask this take the thing some where to be welded. An anchor for a milti thousand pound machine traveleing at highway speeds is not the place to practice welding. Neither is welding one on your bucket. Chains letting go with a D ring attached can really mess a person up.

DaveBell
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 02:04
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Big New Tires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDl6ROrMdI

sparky30_06
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 07:53
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Quoting: DaveBell
Big New Tires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDl6ROrMdI


if you don't have a cheetah tank or tire grease a ratchet strap around the middle of the tire will help force the beam against the rim, just be careful when you try and take the strap off, i usually deflate the tire then take it off

sparky30_06
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 07:54
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Quoting: Brettny

Quoting: DaveBell
When you welded your hooks, did you grind off the paint first?

If you have to ask this take the thing some where to be welded. An anchor for a milti thousand pound machine traveling at highway speeds is not the place to practice welding. Neither is welding one on your bucket. Chains letting go with a D ring attached can really mess a person up.



you are very very correct!!! chain, cable or anchor points failing are not good to be around, things get broke and people get hurt.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 08:43
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Speak of welding. I have a buddy who wants a trailer like mine but didnt want to pay that much. Be bought the complete axle kit (tandem) with brakes A frame couple, A frame jack, leafs, perches, lights, wiring, D rings, break away battery kit, basically everything except the steel. He picked up the steel using my trailer and we start on it this weekend or next.

He has about $500 less than I paid for mine new. So if you figure in labor, he still needs to buy the 2X6 decking, state patrol inspection, he will be close to or over what I paid for new. But we will have fun building it. I have a 220V MIG, oxy acetelyne, Hypertherm Powermax 1000 G3 plasma cutter, chop saws, lots of right angle magnets, welding vise grips, 4 and 7" grinders... Going to be a good time.

Hey, tough way to make a living.
I may add some photos on this thread.

RLamoureux
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 14:14
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Here's Mine. Nothing but air in the tires. So far, so good. It is tippy without the hoe attached!

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 14:56
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Quoting: RLamoureux
It is tippy without the hoe attached!


I see you can bolt on rear wheel weights, that helps when the backhoe is off.

RiverCabin
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 15:26
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Like many here, I likewise have a Kubota, specifically an L3200.

For those who cannot weld, bolt on hooks are available as well.
http://www.boltonhooks.com/kubota.html

Toyota, I must as, did you weld the extra plate on top of your bucket. My bucket does not have welded on plate like yours does and if I had welded on hooks without reinforcement it certain would have bent. My tractor is a 2011 and perhaps they now reinforce that lip.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2019 20:28 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Quoting: RiverCabin
Toyota, I must ask, did you weld the extra plate on top of your bucket.


No, it was already there. Notice I positioned it (hook) right in line with the curl ram. This was to help avoid any flex in the bucket, which may have occurred of it was staggered under a heavy pull. You could easily weld on a nice piece of flat plate, in fact, you can get flat bar, 1/4" thick in the width that will fit the top of your bucket and weld it in place. Have them cut it with their bandsaw to the length you want. Tough to make a sanitary cut with a hacksaw or sawzall with steel blades.

Good choice on the Kubota, I consider Kubota to be one of the top tier Tractors.

Mine is a 2017, L2501. Hour meter is setting at 28

sparky30_06
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2019 08:58
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech
I have a 220V MIG, oxy acetelyne, Hypertherm Powermax 1000 G3 plasma cutter, chop saws, lots of right angle magnets, welding vise grips, 4 and 7" grinders... Going to be a good time.

cant wait to see the progress. I looked into building my own trailer and unless you want something really wild and custom your better off buying one, even if you want a few custom options your better off having the dealer do it. then again what is your time worth?

Toyota you need a stick welder to add to your equipment list. That Hypertherm is a nice unit and very handy. My next purchase is going to be a cold chop saw, I'm tired of the abrasive wheels

RiverCabin
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2019 15:26
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Quoting: toyota_mdt_tech
No, it was already there. Notice I positioned it (hook) right in line with the curl ram. This was to help avoid any flex in the bucket, which may have occurred of it was staggered under a heavy pull. You could easily weld on a nice piece of flat plate, in fact, you can get flat bar, 1/4" thick in the width that will fit the top of your bucket and weld it in place. Have them cut it with their bandsaw to the length you want. Tough to make a sanitary cut with a hacksaw or sawzall with steel blades.


Thanks, I've already welded a plate to mine. It must have been added sometime after my tractor, perhaps with the introduction of the Tier 4 compacts. Speaking of which, have you had any problems with the Tier 4 regen stuff? I haven't heard any complaints yet.

Houska
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2019 17:45
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A 42hp Branson (4225h) has been invaluable in clearing our land, working on the trails, even putting up our bunkie.

We're on Canadian shield - lots of rocks, swamps, beaver dams, mixed forests.

Our dealer welded on hooks like you guys have been discussing. Also got a Piranha bar for the loader (to slice into wet or compacted earth), backhoe, front grapple, and bushhog. And have added clamp-on forks for the occasions when I'm moving something on skids around or can't be bothered to replace the loader with the grapple to move wood.

Rather than a powered grease gun, we just got a Lock N Lube; perfectly adequate for our needs. The discussion boards at tractorbynet.com were invaluable in guiding our choice, and with also sorts of wisdom as we learn how to operate it.

We didn't get a hauler trailer. We don't have a truck that could pull a trailer with 7000 lbs on it, the tractor stays on our recreational property anyway -- and the dealer can float it if it needs service.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2019 21:21
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Quoting: RiverCabin
Thanks, I've already welded a plate to mine. It must have been added sometime after my tractor, perhaps with the introduction of the Tier 4 compacts. Speaking of which, have you had any problems with the Tier 4 regen stuff? I haven't heard any complaints yet.


No, and it was the main reason I got the L2501, this is a 25HP tractor and I have no emissions, anything under 26HP were exempt. I would love to have gotten the 33 or 39HP model, but the regen wasn't for me.
I suspect my plate on my bucket was just one of those next model year upgrades at one time.

toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 15 Oct 2019 08:50 - Edited by: toyota_mdt_tech
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Started on another 18 foot flatbed trailer. Cloning mine for a friend. I mean doing a chinese reverse engineer, Hey, no since in reinventing the wheel. Its going to be a perfect twin to mine.

Perimeter is done and A frame tongue is done. Axle is just setting there, not its home, ignore wood. Will be used as blocking to set fender height above tires.
Just started Sunday at noon, hitting it the next 2 full weekends, should be done by then.
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