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grover
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 01:08
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I looked at a Lopi Republic 1250 today. It was about $1200. Is it worth 3 times the price as a Vogelzang Defender that Menards sells for $399 on sale?
That is a huge difference, especially to the untrained eye. Please enlighten and educate me.
My cabin is about 675 sq ft with a cathedral ceiling and a loft.
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Truecabin
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 10:14 - Edited by: Truecabin
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all stoves are worth 3x a vogelzang
vogelzang are ok for a gazebo with a dirt floor
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Martian
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 10:17
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Like many things in life, in wood burning stoves, you get what you pay for. My small Morso was $1200. The stove in my shop was $200. It burns fine, but the Morso is so much more efficient, clean, and convenient. It has a shaker grate and better seals than the cheaper stove.
You pays your money, and you takes your chances.
Tom
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Truecabin
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 10:40
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sorry i was thinking of the cast stoves those look good but are thin
but the defender is made of steel plate which are safer stoves
search the web for reviews but you have to be careful there are companies who make fake reviews for pay. northern tool has some reviews that look for real and defender doesnt look to bad one lady loves it but has never lit a fire
people with there first stove dont know about chimneys or there wood isnt dry they will take a couple years to figure it out maybe never
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 11:43
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Vogelzang is a Chinese import that is minimally designed and of questionable quality. I don't think they pass EPA rqmnts. I would wonder about the quality of the cast iron in them. As stated above any other stove is going to be tighter and more efficient. Since you have a larger cabin you will be more satisfied with a better unit.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 11:53
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On further research I see that some of the larger Vogelzangs are, supposedly, efficiently designed and pass EPA. I'd still do a lot of research before I bought a bargain brand woodstove.
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Truecabin
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2013 22:44
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the defender is made of plate steel
not cast iron
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grover
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2013 01:10
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So among the better wood stoves are Buck, Lopi, Vermont Castings, Jotul, Quadri-Fire, Morso, ...?
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Martian
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2013 10:41
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Grover, the nicest thing about the Morso is the clearance minimums. It is a convection type stove as opposed to a radiant stove. It fits close to the back wall and needs only 8" side clearance.
Mine is in a 500sqft structure, and will heat up to 1000sqft.
Tom
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brokeneck
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2013 04:08 - Edited by: brokeneck
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Mine is a vermont castings aspen cast iron -- found it for about 400 on craigslist with most of the pipe -- it's a great stove -- Shop craigslist -- when you look at the stoves it's pretty obvious what's quality and whats crap -- remember the pipe will probably be more expensive than the stove ..
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Martian
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2013 08:07
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The best advise I can give you is to buy a stove that is sized for the space you intend to heat. It will burn more efficiently and reduce the soot buildup in the chimney if you don't have to dampen it so much. And, there is no sense in giving up the extra space if you don't need the extra heat. Like an engine, a wood burning stove is happiest when operating at 75+% of capacity.
Tom
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grover
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2013 22:13
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Thanks for everything. I will continue to watch craigslist.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2013 07:39
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when you see a stove on craigslist, if you can get the specific model from the seller, you can then look up the specs and installation instructions from the manufacturer on the web, if it's a more recent make. Then you'll know what size space it was intended to heat, and what clearances to combustibles it is designed to be installed with. Some stoves have lesser clearances, so take less space, important in a small cabin.
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dsaw
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2013 23:11
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Take your time and get a good one cheap off Craigslist. I got my Morso 3410, 2 yrs old, hardly used, for about 1/2 of new. I'm very happy with it. It puts out a bit too much heat for my 240 sq ft cabin, but it's hard to go much smaller. And it's a lot easier to cool a cabin down in the winter from too much stove then heat it up from to little.
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bldginsp
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2013 07:59
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I got a Morso 1410 off craigslist, unused, 5 or 6 years old, had been sitting in storage, 1/2 price. I had identified that specific model and kept an eye out for it, amazingly it came up.
I've also tried getting the stovepipe and chimney components off of craigslist, with mixed results. I got the chimney pipe (upper pipe that goes through the roof) easily, and I've gotten a few of the other components I need, but not all. Also, I think some of the stovepipe components I got were the wrong ones and I cant use them. Every stovepipe/chimney installation is a bit different and you need a different combination of components. I should have more carefully researched exactly what components I needed before I bought stuff that looked right just because it was a 'good deal'.
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Martian
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2013 08:50 - Edited by: Martian
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Quoting: bldginsp Also, I think some of the stovepipe components I got were the wrong ones and I cant use them. Every stovepipe/chimney installation is a bit different and you need a different combination of components. I should have more carefully researched exactly what components I needed before I bought stuff that looked right just because it was a 'good deal'.
That's the Morso I have, too. I love that stove!
You definitely have to match manufacturers when buying the components for the chimney and stove pipe. Its 16' from the stove to the top of my chimney. I recall it costing about $600 for everything. That's the doublewall stovepipe, triple wall chimney, jack, ceiling support, and cap. Some I ordered online, and some I had the local hardware guy get me...he only charges me 10% over cost if he doesn't have to inventory it.
Tom
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TheWildMan
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2013 09:34
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I use the vegelzang boxwood stove, purchased at harbor freight for $75 (on sale). cast iron (thin) and designed on the same basic pattern of a number of cast iron stoves. the logwood and boxwood stoves design go back to the 1860s. they have not changed much in 150 years because they work for what they are good for. small and light they could be shipped out west and set up for heat and cooking in homesteading cabins (light enough that 1 man could carry one 100 miles from the nearest store). they are crude and basic but provide heat and a cooking surface.
their best feature is their versatility, but that was 150 years ago. modern stoves are much better and more specialized (heat, cooking, etc). the boxwood and logwood designs (one smaller than the other) are EPA exempt because they have a 35 to 1 airflow rate or better (don't smoulder and produce lots of smoke, they burn wood cleanly).
I had a logwood from tractor supply and it was badly put together and had a lot of problems, it was also too big for my tiny cabin (these stoves are best for drafty cabins with lots of gaps and cracks like the old homestead cabins, today they are better for cabins, camps, garages and shacks than anything else). I got a vogelzang boxwood a couple years ago and have heated my cabin the past 2 winters with it, and plan to again this year.
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grover
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2013 11:58
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Anyone know about the quality of an Osburn wood stove?
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241comp
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2013 13:48
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I've got an Osburn 2200 insert at home and absolutely love it. I wouldn't hesitate to install another one - if I could afford it, that's what would be in my cabin. The burn is great and the build quality is great. We have had zero problems and we've put a ton of wood through it in the past 5 years.
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grover
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# Posted: 1 Nov 2013 14:18
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So $600 for a slightly used Osburn is not too bad?
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SubArcticGuy
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# Posted: 1 Nov 2013 17:21
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$600 depends on the model but it could be a good deal. I paid over $2k for my Osburn 2300...I have been heating my house for a few years with it. I would seriously consider a Blaze King next time though now that they have a 6" flue option, but the Osburn has been a good performer with no troubles.
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grover
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# Posted: 27 Nov 2013 20:19
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Well after watching craigslist every day for a couple of months and having no luck we broke down and bought a new stove. Didn't go for the top of the line but I think pretty good. We got a made in Canada Enerzone 1.8 rated at 500-1800 sq ft. Plus all the other stuff,... 1 ft of slip joint, 14 ft of black single wall, , 7ft of triple wall stainless, adapter, ceiling box, attic sheild, flashing, collar, and cap. I may have missed something but I think that's it. It hurts a little but we should be set for a long time.
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machzman
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# Posted: 27 Nov 2013 20:24
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Hello new to the site pretty cool site
But the stove I went with is the bakers choice made by meninites
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beachman
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2013 08:40
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We purchased a new Dutchwest small cast iron wood stove with a catalytic converter for our old camp. The place is probably about 450 sf. with a side room about another 300 sf. We can close the door to the side room and the place has a cathedral ceiling with absolutely no insulation. This thing works great in the three seasons we could use it - would perish in Winter due to drafty nature and no insulation. We piped this through an existing fireplace chimney with stainless steel 8" pipe. Our new place is about the same size as yours Grover - 600 +- sf. with a cathedral ceiling and loft (all insulated) - with a dormer for the loft. We chose a Pacific Northwest Vista model with a glass door - set us back around $1800 with taxes (tax is heavy here in Canada) - but, it works great and considering what we spent on the rest of the place, wanted something aesthetically pleasing yet practical for heating in Winter. Mtn Don has mentioned correctly that due to the critical mass of a place that is frozen - it takes about 12 to 18 hours to get the place fully warm in the Winter from a cold start. It is comfortable in about 6 hours but you notice a big difference later. It depends on your preference and ability to pay - you generally get what you pay for. Craigslist is a good spot though.
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rmak
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2013 10:46
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Sorry for double posting from another thread, but maybe this question is good for this one as well:
I've been looking at these two for my small 12 X 16 cabin.
http://graystoveworks.com/
Not epa approved yet. American made in PA. Comes with a nice stand. About $900.
http://www.marinestove.com/codinfo.htm
With chimney parts about $1,800.
The big caution I have is buying too much stove. I've been there and done that with my last home. Uncomfortably hot is almost as bad as uncomfortably cold.
In fact, I have a beautiful unused Vermont Castings in our living room now. It would cook me out of our little cabin.
Anyhow, any input on these stoves? I believe each would heat up to 300 sq. ft. which would be OK for the original poster, mattd.
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groingo
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2013 11:05
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How bad is Vogelzang...it isn't even worth its weight as scrap metal!
Most of the Chinese stuff is just that but if you find something from Taiwan they are more often of much better quality, but read these boards and you will see that there are a few Import Stoves that stand out, they can be pricey but they WORK and hold together and you can get parts for them....that is why it's worth that extra effort PLUS they have much better resale value too!
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spoofer
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2013 11:36
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I have a vogelzang. it will heat my 350 sq. ft. cabin no problem. it burns wood almost as fast as a open fire pit though. I just acquired a jotul and a kozy comfort stove used. the winner of these 2 will replace it next year.
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MPL
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2013 13:11
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You cannot go wrong with a Jotul stove product. Very high quality with decent firebox size. Have sold them for years.
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spoofer
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2013 18:47
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MPL
It's a model 118. I think it was made in 1982 or so. I had to have a friend of mine fabricate new side burner plates for the inside walls. Replacement parts for it were $267 a piece. Since I only paid $125 for it , that wasn't happening. Now I just need to fire it back up and see if it works... I hear I should put sand under the bottom burn plate? It will be a while before I get it up to my camp in the Tug Hill. They have had close to 9 feet of snow in the last 2 weeks. It is a nice Jotul though, with the green enamel sides.
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toyota_mdt_tech
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2013 22:27
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Quoting: grover So among the better wood stoves are Buck, Lopi, Vermont Castings, Jotul, Quadri-Fire, Morso
Agreed. I bought the Quadrafire Millennium 3100 for my house in 2002, price then was $850. I think its about doubled. It was the most efficient woodstove I found at the time. Cleanest burning too. My reason was the amount of burn time for the wood, it did the best.
Quadrafire is also made in my state, in fact, its mfg about 30 miles or less from where my cabin is located. So I kept it "local", in fact, a ham operator I speak to in the evenings is a retired engineer from Quadrafire.
You get what you pay for. Cheap cast iron, imagine a good hot fire in the Vozelgang and all of a sudden, it melts and drops right out on the floor, while you are out. Woodstove is not an area to cheap out. :D
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