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Chinook92
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 13:15
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So i got land up in the mountains and i want to quit the rat race and go work up at the ski area next winter and be a ski bum.

Im gonna sell my sailboat, quit renting, and live on my.land... Solid plan right? Well.....what do i build?

Im not a rich man by any means, just a humble mechanic so budget is going to play a key factor, however I figure a budget of 10k is what I am comfortable with after I liquidate an asset or two ie my boat- trading one lifestyle for another.

Anyway

My top ideas thus far are:

16 or 20 foot pacific yurt (probably the more expensive option)

A 14x14 A frame from simple solar homesteading

A 12x16 A frame with a steeper pitch roof, more headroom in loft

A 10x20 with a single shed pitch roof and 10x10 loft

Or ? Those are my top ideas....

My county has the 200 square foot rule about buildings however for some reason yurts are considered tents and are subject to a 400 square foot/no permit rule hence the 20 footer however thats almost 15k just for the yurt not including platform.....

Any input is greatly appreciated

gcrank1
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 14:04
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No idea how this would fit into the regs in your intended area but around here there are a BUNCH of rv's at bargain prices; everything from pop-ups to larger travel trailers....this last week even a motorhome with a bad engine for under $10K.
Tow one in, set up and start living in it. If you can.
Waayyy quicker and easier, even cheaper than a build at the going (and likely future) lumber prices.
Bad look? Or not what you envision? Put up a simple pole building post frame and metal roof over and side it with rough cut sawmill boards. Step onto your 'porch', open the sliding door and walk into your repurposed 'trailer'.

Chinook92
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 14:12 - Edited by: Chinook92
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Im a boat mechanic.....the absolute last thing in the world I wish to deal with is something that reminds me of a boat when its -8 and blowin 30 outside at 11pm in the middle of January and the crapper stops working not to mention they are just ugly.... I have a repurposed box from.a box truck thats insulated with a wood stove in it that serves as the current cabin but its too small for anything more than one guy a week or two at a time. I want something I can stretch out in, big head room, wood stove, something maintenance free (relatively speaking) and something I can lock up and keep secure and that will add value to my property.......relative to the 200 square foot/no permit rule

gcrank1
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 14:20 - Edited by: gcrank1
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Then that is upping the tariff considerably, in expense and work. And to add value to the property it will likely have to be to code.
As to 'turnkey/maintenance free', lol. a place is Never Done.

Brettny
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 14:55
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Personaly out of any of the things mentioned I would only build a single pitch. A yurt isnt long term, A frames are a waste of space as almost all the walls are slanted.

jhp
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 15:12
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What's the aversion to a permit and are you 100% sure that's not even an option?

Chinook92
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 15:29
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Yeah well, adding value is relative. Dont want anything too nice I got a well but water isnt great its just cheaper and easier to have rain barrels, a small pump and a small instahot for a shower, dont really care about on-grid amenities. A few LED lights and a solar panel, oil lamps and a wood stove work just fine for me so long as the stereo works. The only on-grid thing i care about is the stereo....tunes are mandatory. Rain barrels and pumps work for me and if there isnt rain, I can fill the barrels with a hose. As far as a toilet goes, will probably spend the cash in a propane incinerator toilet.

Going back to basics here.

I understand the downside to A frames however my reasonings for considering them is that they are quick to build and dont have to do anything special as far as making sure they can handle winter storm conditions, and i have a soft spot for them as i grew up in one albeit a 3 bedroom one.

Chinook92
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 15:30 - Edited by: Chinook92
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Dunno.... Im a rebel type on a budget. Its up in the mountains bit same county as Seattle proper so anything is going to be expensive.

Off grid and under the radar is how i fly

jhp
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 16:05 - Edited by: jhp
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So...your plan is to "fly under the radar" of King County Washington which has an annual budget of about $12 Billion dollars, of which about $60 million is devoted to the assessor's office?

Also...your county only has a 200 sq ft rule for accessory structures...by which you don't meet the definition of as you don't have a primary structure either.

If you want to keep what you build, I'd probably be buying or building it on a trailer and arguing you don't stay there more than 60 days a year...or going the legit permitted route.

I wish you luck friend but in this case I'm not sure how you will make out. If you manage to avoid the sat photos I'm not sure how you'd avoid the neighbors or the rangers.

gcrank1
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 16:33 - Edited by: gcrank1
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Rectangle with a shed roof

Chinook92
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 16:55
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I dont want to get into the politics of tiny houses/off grid cabins. Not why im here lol

Everything is in place minus an actual cabin which is why I am here looking for advice on which design is going to be the most bang for the buck and the most cost effective. I want to live off grid in the mountains and I have everything but the actual cabin itself.

Im used to small.... Lived on fishing boats all over Alaska in the back country off shore and in town. Been a boat guy all my life and am going a different direction

jhp
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 18:39
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I'm not trying to get into the politics either, I'm saying in this particular case I think you'll be running against the clock of getting caught sooner or later.

You should make your constraints what can you undo easily. Think about how much easier it would be to hook up a trailer and drive it away, or call a buddy with a big trailer and load up a 10x20 built on skids vs what you would have to do with a 14x14 building with a real foundation.

Something else to think about, if you're not compliant with the accessory structure rule anyway then what does the 200 sq foot matter? Build the biggest thing you can move easily, a 12x24 will feel a lot bigger than a 10x20 but you can still move it if needed.

BobW
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 19:13
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A yurt is a tent-albeit top of the line-but still a tent. Advantage is it can be down and gone in short time if you are told to tear it down. The platform could be fairly easy to build and could be left in place as it is not a structure.
A 16 foot Pacific is $7450 without any addons and without shipping the twenty is #$9000 plus so it would be out of your budget.
A storage shed on skids would be harder to move but would likely be cheaper even with the necessary addons.
If I can find things on Google maps, I'm certain the county accessor can and will. I have no idea what the consequences of getting caught are, but could include fines which if unpaid would result in liens on your property with the possibility of it being sold such as for back taxes.

Fanman
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 19:32
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If you want something that you can "lock up and keep secure", a yurt doesn't sound like it. Perhaps a shipping container?

Brettny
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 19:56
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A container checks alot of boxes by the sound of it.

ICC
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2021 21:22 - Edited by: ICC
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I see jhp already mentioned the 200 sq ft thing. You are not thr first person to misinterpret the sq ft limit for oermits. That is commonplace. Every locale where I have seen the permit rules specify exceptions notes the exception applies only to accessory buildins. You can't have an accessory building without an existing building built with adherence to the permitting process. There are locations around the country where zoning and permit rules have lax enforcement. Somehow I seriously doubt that King County, WA has lax enforcement. I would check carefully into that or simply be prepared to deal with the enforcement when they get around to it.

Brettny
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2021 05:48
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I know nothing about any other town but having a shed on the property before any building permit or residence was one of the specific questions I asked my local town prior to buying the land. They said sure you can do that. Then I asked about a small generator shed and they also gave me the go ahead.

Irrigation Guy
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2021 06:38
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Quoting: Brettny
I know nothing about any other town but having a shed on the property before any building permit or residence was one of the specific questions I asked my local town prior to buying the land. They said sure you can do that. Then I asked about a small generator shed and they also gave me the go ahead


What town are you in?

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