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RnR
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:30
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I read the most fascinating thing lately about some chickens.
Chantecler chickens were bread in Quebec by a Monk in the early 1900's specifically for the cold Canadian winter. Their flaps are very small and therefore do not freeze in the winter, which was the main problem with other chickens who often died in the winter unless they were in a well heated coop. These do not require a heated coop and don't seem to mind the cold so much. I'm not saying they enjoy the cold, but it's not as problematic to them as it is for almost any other breed of chicken.
They were bread to be a dual purpose bird, both being an egg-layer and a meat bird, laying a large amount of eggs per year. These beautiful pure white birds, according to breeders, still know how to "act like a chicken" and are able to self-reproduce and yet are more docile than many other breeds, unlike the zombie-like chicken breeds out there being commercialized whose natural instincts have been largely left them. Apparently, there is no other chicken like it out there.
This miraculous little bird's versatility and well-rounded temperament have actually been its downfall in this hyper-specialized/hyper-productive world we are in, being neither the greatest egg-layer, nor the chicken presenting the largest amount of meat in the shortest amount of time. Due to this, it was nearly extinct in the 90's, however a few dedicated breeders in Canada in the northern U.S. kept the breed alive just for their love of it, and the provice of Quebec has declared it a heritage breed that must be saved, and now there are breeding programs to maintain a healthy stock of this little trooper, which may again be commercialized for its meat and eggs as a specialized local product, much like organic and ethical foods, like eggs from free range chickens.
The link with the cabin? well I was thinking if this chicken doesn't need a heated coop it opens up lots of possibilities for keeping them anywhere in northern climates, including off-grid properties like the cabin. I've always loved birds, having once had an aviary of different breeding finches and R loved having a chicken coop on the reserve when he was young. Keeping chickens seems like the ultimate bird-keeping while providing fresh eggs. I would name my best layer Inga, because it sounds tough and strong, and give them an idyllic life in exchange for food.
Our dream of quitting our corporate jobs and living at the cabin with virtually no money just got a little bit more doable....
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RnR
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# Posted: 29 Dec 2010 14:01
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Well I thought I would indulge in an post during these Holidays, and also, comment on owning the cabin for a full year now.
Firstly, the novelty has not worn off, for which we are very glad. We just had a busy period lately and were unable to make it out there very much during October and November and part of December so getting back has been great. R had a double workload at the office because two of the staff left, and I've been busy with work and my hobby rock band (I'm lead singer) as we had some paying gigs and we had to work pretty hard to complete our setlist, not to mention Christmas and having family and friends over.
Anyhow, we completed another major task this weekend: we got coat hooks up! We got other boring stuff done too, but installing those hooks was a big deal for me because we have had them for a year but couldn't decide where they would go and our coats were always lying around everywhere. We were there the last couple of days getting things ready for a new year's eve bash, which we are really excited about and so are our friends.
I am now on a mission to finish getting the place ready to be a flop-house of sorts for new year's eve, and I also want to put together little new year's gift packages for the good neighbours. I must confess that I got a little upset about Christmas, thinking to myself that it shouldn't be the orgy of consumerism that it seems to have become. I'll save this topic for another one of my rants.
At any rate! after a year, the scenery, fresh air and nature are still as wonderous. A few of our city dwelling friends who usually need asthma medication daily are always amazed how they completely forget to take their puffers while visiting us out there because they don't seem to need them. We are loving the winter scenery and I am looking forward to the wildflowers in the spring. Somehow winter never seems as harsh there as in the city, we often venture outside in just pyjamas or a house coat. I put on the "good" pair of boots and trekked in knee-deep snow to the stream to find a part that had still not frozen and scooped up a big pail of water for dishes while struggling to make it back to the cabin, yet thankful I didn't fall in.
Sometimes I am amazed at how much work we did while still holding down full-time jobs, but also sometimes get a little discouraged at the multitude of little things that still need to be done (painting doors and window frames, insulating roof, etc), and yet, I know that if everything were finished a lot of the fun would be gone. I was commiserating with the neighbour recently about all the work that was required on our properties (he has renovated a much larger cabin which he shares with his family, which he said was "broken in half", requiring it be jacked back up), and we agreed that we must be a little crazy to take on these projects, but in the end, as he put it, what else would we be doing with ourselves? I know we'd pobably be watching other people renovate a cabin on TV wishing we had a cabin.
Hope everyone has wonderful Holidays and a great 2011, and thanks again to Cabinbuilder for this forum.
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bugs
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# Posted: 31 Dec 2010 13:20
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Hi RnR
You make an interesting point about the cabins providing improved health of body, mind and soul. I think both the lady wife and I lost 10 pounds of "city fat" when we started working on the land and shed and turned it into muscle. We became lean, mean trail clearing machines!! And the benefits of getting away from the boob tube and all of the "news" sure improved our mental well being. I think it also increasingly changed our views from somewhat self centered to a more realistic view of just how minute we and humans really are. Especially when a person stars up into the sky on a clear black night.
There are a number of heritage breeds in poultry, cattle, swine, sheep etc that are near to extinction because they were bred to be "generalists" and adaptable. The tasteless "industrial" breeds that much of society gets pushed down their throats (literally!!!) these days would not survive in normal situations. Some can not even breed successfully without human intervention ie AI.
I think our resident coyotes would love for us to try some "free" range type chickens.
Hope your land deal works out. I have come to the conclusion when it comes to recreational land the more the merrier. The wider the buffer area you can preserve between you and your neighbours the better.
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RnR
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2011 23:05
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Thanks Bugs!
Just posting some photos of how I organized what I think is a great cabin kitchen. There are only two shelves, one for glassware and dishes, and the top is the pantry for dry goods, such as coffee and hot chocolate mix. The pot rack is indispensable to save space and looks cool. The decorative plaque behind the stove was $20 at a home store, it is metal and will protect the wall heat and cooking. The kitchen cart (Ikea) has two drawers for utensils, and the two shelves are used to store groceries.
I chose disches that have neat colours, and it just so happened that I had a set of glasses at home that had a similar blue-turquoise colour. A lot of dry goods are in clear jars, and other things are in metal tins I've had for many years.
The thing with open shelving and having everything exposed means that you have to like everything on those shelves, and it has to be organized in a certain way, whcih is kind of nice, because you don't have to search for anything and when you put things away you know exactly where they go.
Living this small also makes you realize that you don't need all the stuff your main home kitchen has. I've also cleaned up the cupboards at home.
Maybe this will give some of you some ideas for your own downsized yet comlete kitchens.
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2011 12:03
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Rick,
Just read through your whole thread and I must say what an amazing transformation you guys have done. The cabin looks very inviting and polished.
I just wanted to throw out my two cents on renting out your space. The property we own is with a group of friends and we have nine cabins on the property, and about half of our friends rent their cabins out and the other half doesn't. I find that our friends that rent out their places are the ones that don't use the cabins very often, maybe once or twice a year. Those of us that are up more frequent feel more attached and don't like the idea of some one else being in our home away from home. When we first started out the planning process for our cabin the first words my better half said were "We're not renting our cabin out!" For us we like to leave and know that no one else has been in, we like everything left the way we leave it and know that no one else has poured blood sweat and tears into the place and would treat it with the respect that we do. That being said we will open our place up to close friends to use and enjoy because a lot of them will have helped along the way and we enjoy sharing the experience with them.
All of that being said, our friends that do rent their places out have never had a bad experience that I can recall. Most people are very respectful probably because they want the opportunity to be invited back.
Looking forward to future photos.
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hattie
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2011 12:17
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I absolutely love the look of the open shelves and the IKEA furniture works perfectly in your space. The only downside of open shelves is keeping them clean over time. They can be real dust and cobweb collectors - but I do like the look of them. *S* Great work on your place.
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RnR
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2011 14:13
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pmichelsen: Thanks so much! I just read your thread as well, very nice! Wow those trees are something else. Beautiful place you have. Thanks for your comments and the advice about the rental thing. Very true, not everyone will treat the place with the proper respect it deserves, or appreciate the blood sweat and occasional, but well-warranted French Canadian cusses that went into this place. I shudder at the thought of letting someone stay there who would treat it like a room at a cheap motel, spilling beer and using the sink as an ashtray, or worse!
Hattie: Thanks! yes, they can get dusty after a while, but taking everything off, cleaning and putting everything back takes you a lot less time than you expect, and you don't need to do it often I have found. It's kinda nice though because it lets see what you need or don't need and everything always looks great. It's a totally different mindset from cupboards that hide everything.
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bugs
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 18:46
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Hey RnR
Hope all is well.
Love the cabin improvements. As always you folks have a knack for making a cabin look homey but still cabiney. If you know what I mean. And I suspect you do.
I would have loved to hear the rich vocabulary. French/Canadians enrich English so much!!! .... (An aside: We have a German friend who did her postgrad degree in England. So she swears in formal British with a German accent! I try to get her mad just to hear her+++++++++++++++++++.... My pet bird is typing again!)
Anyway.... Was wondering how your water filter is working. We are thinking maybe it is time to try one at our shed and I know you have experience with one.
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2011 20:41
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Of all the post on this site, I have enjoyed watching your progress the most....
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Gary O
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# Posted: 13 Feb 2011 01:55
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Quoting: Anonymous Of all the post on this site, I have enjoyed watching your progress the most....
Gentle souls they are.
I concur
Class act all the way.
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Gary O
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# Posted: 13 Feb 2011 08:50
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Quoting: bugs you folks have a knack for making a cabin look homey
It's a touch, and the white rafters look great!
Cabins can suck up a lot of light.
And the open shelves give it that cabin touch.
Cheers
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RnR
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2011 13:49
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Thanks guys! You're Awesome. If I had any advice to give (and I only give advice when I think I know what I'm talking about) about setting up the cabin it would be to fight clutter and to treat the cabin like a real little ideal house. At least one dresser and lots of coat hooks are necessary and one kitchen drawer. I had a lot of fun figuring out what had to be there. Friends often marvel that the cabin has everything you could need, like a corkscrew, a can opener, wine glasses, several ways to make coffee, towels, pillowcases, a dish rack, comforable seating and so forth. And also, avoid just bringing all your reject stuff from home to the cabin.
BUGS! yes that Katadyn water filter has been working out great. In has virtually eliminated the need to bring water in the summer. Like most water purifiers they don't recommend letting it freeze. The stream water is pretty clear so it hasn't had to work too hard to filter it. I would just say that if your water is swampy to get a model that also has charcoal, because only charcoal can change the flavour; if not available get a one of those water pitchers with a charcoal filter. Another one on the market which looks really promising is made by Sawyer, check out sawyerpointonefilters.com and check their web site for their point zero 2 as well, which both promise millions of gallons of clean water, no matter what the initial quality. They just require occasional backwashing. You need to find your own food grade pail to hook it up to. Let me know how things work out!
As spring approaches I can't wait to get more stuff done. I do miss the whole building phase of the project. On the list (not all this summer): clearing the soil around the base of the cabin for better air circulation underneath and add chickenwire as a barrier for animals; paint or reside exterior; paint screened-in porch; dig new drain pit as the present one is caving in; connect composting toilet; bring surplus river rock from the driveway of the house in the city (they dumped WAY too much, it was like driving on marbles) one bucket at a time to line the "bathing" portion of the stream; make some sort of steps to get into the stream and build an outdoor sauna with an old wood-stove.
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2011 13:56
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Bugs: to be specific with regard to the water pitcher with charcoal, I meant to have that IN ADDITION to a barrier filter that does not also have charcoal.
Rick
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bugs
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2011 14:09
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Thanks Rick
Looks like you have an ambitious list of projects. Hope you folks remember to sit and enjoy your wine/coffee/cigars!!!!!
I think we will run the water through a "brita" prior to drinking after the initial filtration and chlorination process. I suspect our water will be pretty sloughy flavoured.
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RnR
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2011 11:58 - Edited by: RnR
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Hey Bugs,
good idea about the "brita". The katadyn water filter we have comes in a version that has built-in charcoal (in addition to the ceramic/silver filter) but they say they have to be replaced every 6 months, and each of the filters is about $70 each and there are 3 of them. I wonder how necessary this is because it seems a brita filter keeps working for a long time after it's supposed to be replaced. A simple charcoal pitcher filter for secondary filtering for flavour is likely an easy and more affordable option either way.
don't forget to check out the Sawyer water filters too at www.sawyer.com
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bugs
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2011 12:19
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RnR
Will check out the Sawyer.
Thanx
Have you folks be able to get out to your cabin much this winter?
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RnR
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2011 12:31
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We did pretty regularly Bugs, it was great, however the last few weeks and March are a write-off due to stuff happening every weekend. I think we'll be up every weekend in April, looking forward to it. So far March has been anything but spring-like. How about you?
Hey if you want to order a sawyer water filter you have to through their international distributor at adventuresafetyproducts.com, they accept paypal only. I want to try out the point1, it's not expensive, especially with our good CDN$.
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2011 12:57
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Thanks again for the info RnR
The Sawyer sounds slick and cheap! We just have to get a food quality bucket and a pillow case (to screen out all the little water fleas and other bugs) and we should be in business.
Good to hear you are enjoying your place. Helps keep the winter blahs/blues away.
Due to the ridiculously cold/wind chill (even this am it was -26C with a wind chill of -36C) or rain and black ice we have been having this winter we have only been out to the shed twice since Nov. (We have had to "cabin" vicariously via the good folks on the forum.) Hope to get out this Sunday for a day trip to see how things/the mice and "everyone" else is doing. Should be some chasing and singing as some of the residents start getting geared up for spring mating season. I think the great horned owls should be close to nesting if not already. Kind of getting antsy... been stuck in the city too long.
All the best
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RnR
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2011 14:59
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We lent the cabin to some friends for the first time few weekends ago. Well actually it was the receptionist at my office and her boyfriend, a cute young little couple in their early 20's starting out in life, and it went really well. This is how it all happened.
Her boyfriend was in the office one day and they came to say hi to me and she goes "oh show him the photos of your cabin!!!!" as I had some on my computer at the office which she had seen before, and they were both ooo-ing and aw-ing over it and they were both so cute I couldn't help (after getting R's consent) asking them if they wanted a weekend there as we weren't able to go anway in exchange for their comments and recommendations about the rental potential. They were ecstatic, especially her boyfriend as he is a true outdoorsman who loves winter camping.
Anyhow they said they had an absolutely wonderful time and brought me a gift-wrapped bottle of wine with a card at the office as a thank-you plus $20 for the firewood they used (they couldn't find any on the way), and a new deluxe can-opener as the one at the cabin broke. When we went back to the cabin it seemed even cleaner than when we left it.
I really had a lot of confidence in them, especially in the boyfriend's ability to use the wood stove. I think the place was perfect for them because he loves everything outdoors while as she likes to have some degree of comfort so they both got what they wanted including sitting outside, cooking on the wood stove and living without electricity. They couldn't believe how well organized the place was and how efficiently the space was used.
Some of their comments were that the place was really nice and bright, it felt like a mini Ikea, she thought the kitchen cart and the pot-rack were particularly smart, however they felt that it was so nice and clean that they were worried about getting it dirty, especially the futon/sofa, so she recommended a throw or something on the sofa, but they did appreciate all the throw rugs. She said her boyfriend was really scared of getting ash on his clothes and then transferring it to the futon/sofa. They also recommended some instructions on using the wood stove because it took them a while to figure out the air intake. They loved sitting outside and hearing the stream. In terms of instructions, I told them that they had to take their food, water, sleeping bags and pillow cases and that the rest of what they needed was all there and it seemed to work. I recommended they bring their own wood because I wasn't sure if there was enough dry chopped wood there. I also made a list with everything that is at the cabin so that they would have no doubt about what to bring.
Anyhow I feel really good about the whole thing and would be comfortable letting them use it again (they said they would love to go back). It would be great to just allow some close friends and colleagues a chance to experience it for a small fee on occation as it allows us to share the place with appreciative people when we're not there and hopefully bring in a little bit of money to cover things like the snow plow cost in the winter which believe me is not negligible.
Thanks for all your advice, hope this also helps others who get requests from friends and colleagues to rent their places.
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2011 16:57
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Nice story RNR. You must both be so pleased with all the hard work you have done on the place and the vision you had when you first started to receive such wonderful comments and a wine "prezzy". Sounds like the couple really enjoyed themselves and provided good constructive comments for you to consider if/when you lend your cabin out again in the future.
How is your wood supply holding up, by the way? Ours, at home here, says it is the end of April, not the end of March. It has been a cold, cold winter. You might have noticed me whining about all the snow too.
Do you get a neighbour to clear your snow or does the county do it?
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2011 17:27
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very lovely place.i am jealous of your kitchen.mine is still outside.lol.we are working on this though.thanks for sharing your great place with us.
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RnR
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2011 17:38
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Thanks Bugs!
We'll have enough wood for at least part of next winter. There were also some old piles of firewood found throughout the property that can be used for outdoor fires, would be a good idea to restock this summer/fall and stay ahead of the game.
We are 2 km's from the main road, other neighbours basically got together to plow our road throughout the winter with a small tractor I think. The Municipality does not plow it because there are no "permanent" residents within the meaning of the law. We have a guy in town plow it. Actually he is one of the former owners of the cabin who lost time and interest in it when he started having kids. He does an amazing job, he clears out spaces to park and everything, and he's really reliable but it is expensive. It is about a 15 minute drive for him to the cabin, and he has no other plowing contracts on that road so he can't really pass on some savings from already being "in the area". I understand that it is a lot of work for him though. Our neighbour told us that we may all have to chip in next year to have the road plowed because the guy doing it now is finding it difficult because his plow isn't very high and it's hard to use it when the snow is really piling up on the sides of the road. He said not to worry that it would not be very much. I'm hoping for an overall saving however because maybe we can work out a deal with whoever "wins" the contract whether that's my guy or someone else.
Your place is too out of the way to be plowed, am I right? or would it be doable? would it be worth it?
It's been so very cold this month of March around here... you don't feel like spring is really coming. I bet it's gonna be a hot summer.
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2011 17:44
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Thanks Cabingal3! Hope you get your indoor kitchen this summer. Make sure you post pics!
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2011 20:59
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Just an FYI for firewood, check to see if there is a pallet shop nearby. There is one near my mom and a pick-up truck load of 4x4 ends go for $20.00 a pick-up load. The place mom buys from uses hard wood; she puts in fireplace insert before bed and still has a good fire in morning.
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# Posted: 29 Mar 2011 09:29
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RnR
Sounds like snow removal is quite the complex issue for you and your neighbours. The road by our place is "busy" for that part of SK (Maybe 25 to 30 vehicles a day!!! I exaggerate. Any time we have been out there we have only heard maybe 10 vehicles tops!) so the municipality keeps the road plowed, graveled and maintained year round. For us the issue is that long, rough driveway we have. We can park on the side of the road when the snow is too deep but I would not want to park there overnight. Maybe this spring we will hire the neighbour to clear a trail up the driveway part way so we can park off the road.
If we ever decide to get a real cabin like yours for 4 season use we will likely either buy a tractor or hire the neighbour to clear some of the driveway.
Are you at all concerned that you will be turning people away once the word gets out amongst your friends and acquaintances that you have this little get away? You may be headed towards time sharing your own cabin.
Our tiny place is so bare bones and is not on a fishin'/boatin' "lake" that nobody wants to come out and pitch a tent to stay overnight.
Anyway, hope you are able to enjoy some spring outings to the cabin. Syrup season should be close to starting, shouldn't it? Nothing compares to maple syrup and sugar.
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RnR
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# Posted: 29 Mar 2011 10:51
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Thanks for the tip Erins#1Mom!
Ya, I've accepted snow removal costs as an inevitable "cost of doing business" sorta thing.
It's really surprising how many people idealize a weekend cabin getaway, even if there is no water water skiing or jet skiing and that stuff. I read a great article somewhere on making money from your country property discussing the different types of "city folk" that will pay good money to get out of the city and have this sort of retreat experience. It explained how you have different levels of people, from people accustomed to camping who will view a cabin as a luxurious "shangri-la" compared to tenting, while as others want the rustic outdoor experience without the dirt and inconvenience. For the first group you just let them stay at the property and they bring whatever they need, while as for the latter you have to provide services, like fresh bedsheets and towels, organic meals, bicycle and hiking tours, cave exploration, and if possible, an outdoor spa and foot massages.
At least for the latter group you get to charge a lot more. Makes you think!
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# Posted: 7 Apr 2011 13:39
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I just discovered a great way to insulate the cabin underside, or potentially the cabin roof.
Sprayfoam is great because it also acts as a vapour barrier. The problem is that you either have to hire a professinal or rent all the equipment to do it yourself. Instead of buying a ton of small spray cans, below is an interesting alternative that has the same effect written by Steve Maxwell, Canada's handiest Handyman:
An excellent and less expensive alternative involves cutting rectangles of 2-inch extruded polystyrene foam, sizing them so there's a 3/4-inch gap between each piece of foam and the surrounding joists. Secure the pieces of foam to the underside of the subfloor (between the floor joists) with construction adhesive, then fill the 3/4-inch perimeter gap with expanding polyurethane foam from a can. This seals the interface between foam and wood for best possible performance.
I never would have thought of this had I not read about it.
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# Posted: 7 Apr 2011 13:53
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We did something similar to that on our shed. I snug fit the foam from above and used spray foam to fill any gap to eliminate air flow.
The Handyman approach will probably provide a better seal. I would think you could narrow the gap to 1/2" or 1/4" and save a little money on foam.
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# Posted: 28 Apr 2011 19:45
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these showers look great, how did you go about making the drain?
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RnR
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2011 22:30
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Dear Small Cabin Forum.
Please forgive me for it as been for it has been over 5 months since my last post. I have, however, been trying to keep up with all the wonderful member projects and avidly reading posts from new members which has been really invigorating.
The bathroom is almost done, R is completing a new drain pit in according with instructions from the book Cottage Water Systems. Took down some trees, and I did some work on the exterior, mostly painting, but it gave me a chance to do a really good inspection of the entire exterior. One of the outside beams was half rotted (from ground up) for about six feet, it is still holding but has to be addressed more substantively at some point, The problem was that it was touching the soil. It isn't anymore, and hasn't for a while, so it shouldn't get any worse at least.
A new shower enclosure has been tiled, will post pics. While we tried to use really basic inexpensive materials, R figures it has totalled about $400, mostly due to the proper cement board which was the most expensive item. Otherwise we used the most inexpensive white tiles we could find but it looks outstanding. So we"re just trying to rush with outdoor work while the weather is clement.
So I painted the exterior, actually I used an opaque wood stain that is acrylic + oil. The colour is called Mountain Stream, and I admit I fell for the marketing a little but it looks great. I was trying to find something a bit lighter but I think all the other colours were too light and anyway I love the end result. R insisted the trim be white. I'm just glad that the exterior is resembling the interior a bit more. Bought a bell with a diagonally design that I can't wait to hang next to the door.
A bear has been terrorizing the neighborhood. Such is life in the country I guess! He is supposedly very brazen and has no fear of humans. I just saw the vestiges of his rummaging through some of our stuff. Several hunters in the area have vowed to get him as soon as hunting season starts.
The mosquitoes lasted a lot longer than usual this year, its been a bit of a drag, they really just let up a week ago. Last year, as of August 6 they were pretty much gone, so that's a whole month longer.
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