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gcrank1
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2024 23:14
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Oh yes, pls do give your periodic reviews of how it works out
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darz5150
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# Posted: 1 Apr 2024 00:26
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Quoting: spencerin It seemed to best balance the pros and cons for me.
Good for you.
I tried buying 2 Taos 2 or 3 years ago. But a lady had first dibs on them. They were very very used then, and they are still running today. She has a gaggle of grandkids that ride the crap out of them. And they haven't managed to destroy them so far.
Only problems she's had was, a gummed up carb on one of them, from not draining the gas over the winter. And the other had a battery freeze .
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paulz
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2024 09:30 - Edited by: paulz
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Been working a bit on this Tao 110.. Got a new key switch installed but so far not doing anything. I have power to the switch, that’s about as far as I’ve gotten. Wiring diagrams online that I can almost read. Jumpered direct to starter, it does turn over. Just one kill switch on the handlebar that I know of but there is also a remote clipped to the bars with lock/unlock buttons, probably dead from sitting/rust. If I could get spark at least I could start it. Must be a wire on the CDI box that kills it..
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2024 10:12
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Sounds like a 'safety interlock' somewhere is not allowing the ignition to work. Same as the side stand and/or neutral interlock on motorcycles; they ground out the elec CDI ignition just like the key switch and bar-button.
Make sure the key switch is actually supposed to put pos. to ignition! Most modern stuff the switch just ground out the CDI rather than power up the coil and points like a traditional 'bike'.
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darz5150
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2024 10:29
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Is there a low oil cut off switch?
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paulz
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2024 10:34
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This is the online diagram. Barely readable on my iPhone.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tao+110+wiring+diagram&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&cli ent=safari#vhid=iyj4iPMlh2EG5M&vssid=mosaic
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paulz
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2024 10:40 - Edited by: paulz
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Making matters worse is the plastic bodywork screw just turn around. There is some kind of plastic nut on the other side that just spins.
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2024 11:13
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Dremel Time!
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spencerin
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2024 22:00
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First problem already, I think so anyway.....
So, I bought it "new", as in from a dealer, but "a slightly used 2023 model" is a more accurate description as it had 2.6h on it when I bought it.
I didn't really pick up on this when I was testing-riding it, but it seems to have a slightly irregular idle, sometimes racing at idle, occasionally dying at idle. Throttling up is fine, power is good, acceration is good. Just idling is iffy. And I sometimes have to hold the ignition button down for several seconds to get the engine to catch fire, almost like the battery is helping it along.....
I put fresh, higher-octane gas in it, and added a fuel stabilizer and carb cleaner to it. Marginal improvement, at best.
I'm leaning towards it just being a crappy carb, especially with all other parts being essentially new. It's not adjustable, either. I can buy an adjustable one for $24.
Would you agree?
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paulz
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2024 22:16
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There’s no idle speed or mixture adjustment?
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spencerin
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2024 22:35 - Edited by: spencerin
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Idle speed, yes, which I adjusted up slightly, but still within Tao's recommended range. Mixture adjustment, no. And it has an automatic choke, which I'm assuming is electronically controlled.
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jsahara24
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2024 23:09
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No warranty? I would think the dealer would want to make it right considering you just bought it?
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FishHog
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2024 06:44
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Might just need a carb cleaning if fuel was going bad there could be water sitting in the bowl or crud accumulated that might clear up with a carb cleaner but probably not.
Fuel issues are common with ethanol fuel if left sitting for long
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spencerin
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2024 10:40
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Nevermind, it does have an adjustable carb (per Tao). Anyway, I'm going to crank up the idle speed some more, see if that helps. After watching some YT videos, it does seem like the Bulls in the videos had higher idle speeds, so it could just be that. I don't want to mess with the a:f mixture ratio if I can avoid it - although I'm sufficiently mechanically skilled for a person who doesn't do it for a living, I find that when I mess with things I'm not familiar with, the outcome often isn't the best.....
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2024 11:31
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My bet is the low speed jet and/or passage is plugged up with goo (the stuff that gas, especially ethanol-blend, turns into).
Pull the carb off and apart (at a bench with a nice big grease rag for the parts). I think you will find crud in the bowl and the small low speed jet plugged. Don't just poke the crud out of the jet, ensure the passage from the jet up into the card throat passes gas. A quick way is to spray carb cleaner up that passage.
It is more futzy than difficult and Waayyy cheaper than paying somebody else to do it.
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spencerin
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2024 12:31
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I'm thinking it could be crud from old gas, too. The dealer said he bought a small lot of Bull 200s back in the Fall but didn't sell them as quickly as anticipated, and I think I bought the last one he had. Who knows how long the gas had been sitting in the tank.
"....ensure the passage from the jet up into the card throat *passes gas*." 
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2024 18:46 - Edited by: gcrank1
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Don't listen for the tell-tail sound, ya gotta watch for it.
lol
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spencerin
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2024 08:23 - Edited by: spencerin
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Well, it wasn't too low of an idle. I did adjust the idle up some - same result. Interestingly, and maybe I was listening more closely this time, for the first 20 seconds or so after firing it up, it idles fine. After that, when it seems to settle down and in, is when it starts doing the "putt putt putter putt pu-puh putt putter pu-puh putt putt.....", with an occasion cut off......
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spencerin
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# Posted: 13 Apr 2024 21:43 - Edited by: spencerin
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Ok, so it turns out the carb does *not* have an adjustable a:f mixture. But, I finally figured out what what casing the slightly irregular idle - the automatic choke. Once I get off and running, after maybe 30 seconds, everything's warmed up and then it idles fine. My guess is the choke ain't that great at working upon start up. But, I'm going to leave it alone and not replace the carb - I can live with it.
I got to test the ATV at my property for the first time today, and I have to say I can't really knock it. I have some steep, and bumpy, terrain in places, and it handled it well. We'll see how it holds up in the long run, but for it being a cheap Chinese 2WD ATV, I *would* recommend it to anyone needing a basic, low-cost utility ATV.
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paulz
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 17:47
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Finally nice weather to get back to my widow neighbor’s ATV. Turns out it’s a Tao 110, says right on it! I hooked up a battery before, no spark. Jumpered to the starter, turns over. This was over a week ago.
Well today I got it sparking and turning over with the button. Most of it was my fault, I’ll get to that later. So next is gas… put some in the tank, took float bowl drain screw out, turn on petcock. Nothing. 5 years of ethanol sitting… So off with the carb, easy enough, but these two float bowl screws have me puzzled. Hex head with a peg in the middle? Thought maybe but they seem to be solid screw head. Can’t even stick a knife blade in three.
Anyone?
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darz5150
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 18:02
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Torx safety bit. Amazon. About 6 bux
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darz5150
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 18:06 - Edited by: darz5150
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Can't see in the pic too good. But those drivers have been around for a while. I have them in an Irwin set I believe.
Might not be a torx, but might work?
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darz5150
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 18:13 - Edited by: darz5150
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Sorry I was wrong. The set is made by Titan. And it does have hex heads. I can post a pic if you need.
Check for hex head safety bits on Amazon.
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paulz
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 18:44
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You sure Darz? I mean I can’t even get a pin head in there. Maybe someone broke a bit head off in there. Both sides.
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paulz
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 18:48 - Edited by: paulz
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Looks like the pilot mixture screw is plugged off too.
A “don’t F with me” thing?
It’s a 2018 I think
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darz5150
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 18:53
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Nope not sure. I was looking at the wrong thing. Lol. It does look kinda like a plug. I guess no way to pry it up?
My bad.
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spencerin
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 19:52
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Is that ATV a Rock 110 (Tao)? If so, you can buy a new manual choke carb for $15.75.....
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paulz
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 20:39
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I think it’s a Boulder but yeah I was thinking the same thing. It is a manual choke. Got it soaking overnight in a bucket of gas, probably won’t do anything. Thanks.
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2024 21:37
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Right, gas soak wont do a thing. Yamaha used to have a great carb cleaning solvent for shop use, iirc it was a concentrate, and expensive. They could fill a carb bowl and drop the whole thing in the bucket overnight and next day blow it out; often ready to go.
Ive pulled surface caps off stuff by drilling a small hole through and screwing in a sheet metal screw. That gives something to grab with a pliers.
They typically are over the mix screw and shaped like a micro bottle cap.
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paulz
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# Posted: 18 Apr 2024 14:01
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Ok, ordering a new carb. But I also can’t screw the top off this one to pull the cable. Don’t see any locking pin or set screw. Even tried channel locks. Another “don’t F with me”?
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