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paulz
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 11:33
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Trying to figure out why my wood stove gets the cabin up to 85f at night, burns itself out and by morning it (and the cabin) are cold. Only adjustable choke is shown at bottom, even sliding it closed leaves very small gaps in the holes. The door gasket seems ok, can’t slide toilet tissue past it when closed. Chimney is open, no valve.
I have a very similar stove at my house (Arrows I believe) and it will smolder all night, just reload in the am.
Hmm..
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Nate R
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 11:37
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What is the chimney like? Height? Straight?
Wondering if the cabin chimney has a lot stronger draft that pulls more air in than your home stove....
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paulz
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 11:56
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Both chimneys are straight, one story, cabin one maybe 6’ higher.
Brings up something I’ve been wondering; can a chimney alone cause wood burnout? I could add a flapper, maybe..
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NorthRick
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 14:54
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Is the wood completely burned up by morning or is it going out with wood still left in the stove?
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Brettny
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 15:40
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To much air is getting in...that's why it gets up to 80*+
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paulz
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 16:29
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Wood is completely burned by morning. Good point on the air, need to look closer.
Thanks guys
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gcrank1
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 16:57
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Think about like an engine, it has too much throttle going on/wont idle; find a way to kick it back. If not on the intake side it will have to be on the exhaust. Yeah, I know, yer not 'supposed to have to use a flapper'....
Fwiw, the old 1980's 'airtight' our cabin came with was kinda like that. I finally found some old install/maintenance literature on it and the top part of the box was supposed to have a steel plate and insulating layer And firebrick to complete a circuitous path for the air flow. It was incomplete and allowed pretty much a straight exhaust path out; mostly a 'light switch' stove, either on or off.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 17:57
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Stoves can actualy leak between the plates or castings after a while. The gaskets and furnace cement breaks down and causes air leaks. Really the best thing to do is to dis assemble everything you can and inspect. I do this once a year on our vermont castings stove. I can keep the house 70* if its 50* out or -15* out. I generaly get a 12-24hr burn time but hardly ever fill the thing if it's going to be warmer than 30*. I also never relight the stove November- April.
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travellerw
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2023 22:59
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I will be paying attention as ours does the same thing. Load at 10pm and its just barely glowing with no fuel at 4:00am.. I only have the same air control and no chimney damper. Would love to figure out how to make it chooch longer.
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Brettny
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2023 07:02
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You have to find the air leaks. Unfortunately some stoves just arnt made that good and will have constant issues like this.
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paulz
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2023 08:10
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Good news! Yesterday I was in the shed and noticed a length of door gasket, must have been left over from last time I changed it some years ago. So even though it passed the toilet tissue slide test yesterday, I changed it out again.
Must have been leaking somewhere. Fire burned all night, only lost 2 degrees in the cabin and still wood left burning this morning. It’s not that cold outside (mid 50s) being summer but should help a bunch when fall comes.
Thanks for the help guys!
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groingo
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2023 19:38
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Open a window a bit and burn a hotter damped down fire, problem most likely is your chimney has cooled and is restricting flow and backwashing, been there, keep those nice warm blankets handy !
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paulz
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2023 08:02
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I’ll try it, thanks!
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Aklogcabin
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2023 11:56
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Hello paulz. We have the exact same stove at our cabin. I love it. The gasket is important. The door tension can be adjusted with the handle also, if you were not aware. It's threaded and can be turned in to tighten the seal.
I know ours needs to be shut down tight for overnight. In the morning if there is just a couple red embers, open the ash pan a bit and it will take off like a turbo. Really nice that we can open it up like fireplace n watch the fire without any smoke as it drafts well.
Also if I'm not burning birch in it, the only hardwood available, and burning white spruce I have trouble with an over night fire too n have to have a chunk to toss in when I do my papa walk each night.
BTW it's nice to see you back on this site. You bring a happy
positive presence and usually a smile
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paulz
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2023 22:27
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Thanks for the kind words Ak, and the stove info. Have not had a night fire lately, just a morning warmer upper. But that will change soon.
I’m in a redwood forest, so that gets burned mostly. It’s a banner day when I get some oak or other dense wood.
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scott100
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2023 16:23 - Edited by: scott100
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If you ever need to look for leaks again a good way to find them is go around all the seams with a lit candle or something that smokes while you have a fire in it and the air flow turned down. The leaks will be pretty obvious.
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paulz
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2023 10:57
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Great idea Scott, thanks! I’ve had successful fires last two nights with small leftover hot coals in the morning but I’ll sure keep it in mind.
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Aklogcabin
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2023 12:08
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Cedar is so nice to work with and smells great. Splits easy. Starts nice. Do you carve any ? How have your projects gone or maybe like me n kinda never ending. It's all good.
And yeah, you do bring a nice presence and I enjoy reading about your projects. Have a great day man
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paulz
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2023 14:41
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Yep cedar is great, did my ceiling in it, but none here unfortunately, only acres of redwood.
Projects never ending, fortunately now it’s mostly upkeep. A friend brought over his mill last week and cut some logs that were down. More work for me, as I had to clean up, get my log splitter running and buck up the leftovers.
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